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Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:47 am

Hi a few notes and research details into wireless sets used in the UC.

Wireless sets 18 and 19 for the Universal Carrier

Having owned many 19 sets over the previous forty years I’ve been
doing a bit of research into there installation into the UC.
The first 19 sets were produced in 1941, the Mk1 soon followed by
the much improved Mk2 and Mk3. From 1942 until after the end of
WW2 they became the standard set for armoured vehicles in the British and Commonwealth forces.
They were built in Britain, Canada, Australia and the USA. Many of the Mk2’s and Mk3’s from North American factories had dual language control surfaces, that is they were lettered in English and Russian. These sets were supplied under the
Lend Lease agreement to Russia.

The 19set consisted of the following, the power supply, the main
transmitter and receiver (TX and RX), the Variometer and a variety of
control boxes to suit the type of vehicle installation.
The main TX/RX unit had two transmitters and two receivers. The
A set, for communication with higher formations, that worked on
HF frequencies from 2 to 8 MHz and a B set that worked on 240 MHz
for short range communication with other vehicles.
The output from the A set went via the Variometer (aerial tuner) to the
aerial base, which varied enormously over the lifetime of the set, but base
numbers 8 and 10 were the most frequently used in north west Europe.
The A set aerial was either an 8 or 12 foot rod.
The B set output went direct to usually a number 9 base. The B set
aerial was a 20 inch rod (approximately a half wavelength at 240 MHz).

I own a few manuals for the 19 set, most are now available for free download from the internet. My go to for books and web site information on British army communication equipment are from a Dutch radio amateur named Louis Meulstee. His books are a masterpiece of research, volume two gives details of all the standard sets of WW2. His web page can be found
by searching wireless for the warrior or wftw dot nl in your favourite search engine. Louis has been very kind to allow anyone to download the low resolution images from his site and if you ask nicely you can obtain
the high resolution images.

Although there are many diagrams for installation of the 19 set in various vehicles, both wheeled and tracked, those for installation into the UC are few and far between. I will share any that I’ve found from my internet searches.

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John
Images for the 19 set and details on the 18 set to follow.

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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:22 pm

Some images from Louis Meulstee
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One from an internet search showing the power supply connected to the set.
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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:40 am

More info on the 19 set installation in a UC.

From Wireless for the Warrior.
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This Is the location for the Canadian UC, the right hand side wall of the carrier.
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The standard fit in a British UC. The type of wireless set and quantity installed in carriers
depended on what formation they served and there use in that unit i.e. infantry,
armour or artillery.
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A set aerials (antennas) were either 8 or 12 feet rods.
B set aerials were 20 inch rods.


This carrier is much photographed, I think it resides in the USA. Search of the internet
produced several images. The image I have chosen I’ve credited with the photographers name.
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This image is a 1/6 scale model I bought several years ago. I think it was produced by a company
called Panzerwerks who were in the USA , although I can’t find a reference for them on the internet.
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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by Dave Dibb (Armorpax) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:50 pm

Hi John,

That is indeed the Panzerwerks set and sadly Steve stopped supplying a few years ago. Good news is we were given permission to use it in the Dingo and also for the UC etc. and I have the masters.

Only thing I don't have at present is a decal set for it.

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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:41 pm

Hi Dave
That’s great, I would like another one to try and improve on the paint job of the first .
I recently bought a decent spray gun to try and master my woeful painting technique!
Their model of the 19 set is the best one I’ve seen and is definitely the most accurate
representation. The decals would be a great addition because they bring the model to
life.
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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:37 pm

Wireless set number 18

Was designed as a short range man pack for the infantry.
Designed in 1940 it was for use in forward areas between
battalion and company HQ’s. As the war went on it was used
as a ground station, animal pack station and as a mobile station
in a vast array of vehicles.
It used dry batteries which supplied 3volt LT, 150volt HT and 12volts
for the grid bias. This was called the battle battery. Another type of battery
was used when the set was installed in a vehicle, this was called the
static battery.
Photo from Louis Meulstee
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This how the set was carried by the infantry. Usually a two man job, one to carry the set the
other to operate it. In this case a single operator. IWM SE2364

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When used in the UC, either on its own or in tandem with a 19 set these were the
preferred set ups, but judging by the many photos of the sets in use, especially in North West Europe,
they differed enormously.

Diagram from volume 2 of Wireless for the Warrior.
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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:31 pm

18 set installation in UC.
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18 set installed in a Mk1 UC. IWM H16603
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Bracket in the Mk1 UC for the 18 set. IWM H16599

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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:10 am

Captain Liddel of the Guards Armoured Div. 8th April 1945. Germany.
The wireless set 18 is next to his left shoulder.
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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by Adrian Harris » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:31 am

According to my records, somewhere in my stash I have two No 19 radios from Panzerwerk. Would they be suitable for a UC ?

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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:00 pm

Hi Adrian

Most definitely, a great addition to the UC.
Panzerwerks radio models are the best, they did several models of WW2 German and USA sets. I hope Dave Dibb can resurrect them, complete with the decals.

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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:36 pm

Recently visited a local radio amateur that I know, who was doing some mods to the last 19 set that I owned, to get more audio on transmit.
The set is a mark 3 made in December 1958, being a post WW2 set it has no B set. You can still see the knock outs to the left of the meter where the B set tuning control was situated and the antenna output connector.
The first photos are of the front panel ( in aWW2 set the switch would incorporate a position for the B set to be switched in).
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The green ‘tube’ behind the set is the variometer that tuned the A set to the aerial (antenna) which was either an 8 or 12 foot rod.


The next two photos are of two types power supplies used with the set.
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The connectors are enormous.


The next two photos are junction boxes used in different vehicles, the first one is the basic one used in the UC.
The second one is the type used in tanks.
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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by Pieter Koops » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:45 am

Hello All,
on the black and white photo of the airial view of a Carrier there is a blue box named "Battery Charger". On the MapleLeafUp-site and others I found it: probably in jargon it's called a Chorehorse and was made during WW2 by the Outboard Motoring & Manufacturing Company of Canada Limited. I suspect every Carrier with a wireless set had one and at least two extra batteries for the set. Does anyone know which company made them for British Carriers and are there pictures?
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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by John Wiggins » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:54 am

Brilliant Pieter

That’s the first time I’ve ever seen close up photos of the charging set, thank you.
I hope Dave Dibb can produce one in 1/6th scale. :D
Every UC should have one.

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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by Pieter Koops » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:46 pm

Well John, it is just my love to determin photographs in detail in which art and craft I was trained by colleagues when I worked at the Netherlands Army Museum. The photoes come direct from http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showt ... hp?t=12391. They are a treasure trove with much interaction of Canadian and Dutch enthousiasts. The latter because of all the hardware the Canadians had to leave on Dutch soil, battlefields during the Liberation and after the War to rebuild our Military. The Netherlands owe so much to their Liberators, the Canadians, the British, the Poles, the Americans, even French S.A.S. and all others. To speak boldly: it's a bloody shame many 75 year remembrance activities have had to be cancelled / postponed this year due to this nasty unvisible enemy we have to overcome now!
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Re: Wireless sets for the universal carrier

Post by Dave Dibb (Armorpax) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:17 am

Hi All,

I have just started on the long road to a full set of parts for the UC. Hopefully I will have access to a body at some point if not when I receive my own kit. Looking at the Generator many of the parts are common to the one I did for the Quad so shouldn't be a massive challenge, also with my new found 3D drawing options like the 4t jack below I can fill in any gaps. Poured the mould last night for the Magazine bags based on a superb master provided by a good friend of Pieter's, hopefully it will reproduce Ok. Lee Enfield from the Dingo set will form part of the range along with the Panzerwerks No 19 set which I have permission to use again. I have already done the 4" smoke launcher and lots more are planned.

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