Chieftain info and banter

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Re: Chieftain info and banter

Post by Stephen White » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:33 am

Good morning John. The driver's access door is mounted on a spring loaded column which raises it when the two retaining catches are released. These extracts from the User Handbook and ISPL describe the setup.

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Drivers were very wary of the hatch and had the dangers explained to them in training. I don't recall any incidents. On the other hand, the commander's hatch could be lethal. It opened rearwards and was very heavy, despite being spring assisted. The retaining catch was known to fail and it was possible if debris got into it for the catch to stick in a position which didn't fully retain the hatch. One of our squadron leaders hit a bump very hard and the hatch flipped over. It hit him in the back of the head and he lost his nose on the front of the cupola hatch opening. How did he smell you may ask? Awful after two weeks in the same clothes............. I shouldn't make light of it, the accident was as they say, life changing. Still, it was rather a large nose.......

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Re: Chieftain info and banter

Post by John Clarke » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:32 pm

Afternoon Stephen, Thanks, I'd like to say Yep that's clear.
But
The instructions seem to mean the hatch is always open under normal circumstances, allowing access to the drivers position.
So effectively once the hatch is lowered it cannot be opened from the outside.
I believe the driver can get out though the turret when the main gun is in the right position.

It must have been a bit awkward to get an injured driver out though the turret then?

Worst problem I had was ripping my shorts exiting the Commanders hatch, a pocket getting caught on one of the many hard, sharp and sticky out-ty bits that festoon the hatch aperture. :oops:
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Re: Chieftain info and banter

Post by Mark Heaps » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:24 pm

If I remember correctly, the clamps had a hexagonal hole on the top of them. You could stand on the hatch to close it against the spring pressure and then turn the clamps using an allen key.

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Re: Chieftain info and banter

Post by Stephen White » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:28 pm

John, the British Army was very sensitive to the enemy being able to open hatches from outside after some close encounters in Korea with Centurion. The hatches when locked from the inside couldn't be opened from outside without a box spanner. For security, we used to lock the driver's and commander's hatches from inside, then exit through the loader's hatch and secure it with a padlock. For normal use, the driver's hatch was shut without locking it and a bolt was pushed through the hasp. When that was removed, the hatch would spring up and could be opened. In a good crew, the loader or commander would help the driver close down by standing on his hatch as he locked it, before getting into the turret.

You could get to the driver under the gun and indeed when we spent long periods closed down, that was the only way he got to drink tea or eat. The turret had to be rotated to about two o'clock and the gun fully depressed to get to him. His escape back into the turret would have been pretty difficult. He had to collapse his seat first and then crawl backwards.

Given the origin of tanks in His Majesty's Landships Committee and our Royal Navy heritage, we perpetuated one very sound tradition, which was to discourage the Lower Decks from coming upstairs as in that old Navy adage "never let the Engineer onto the Bridge". The driver's cab was the least uncomfortable crew station so most were only too happy to remain downstairs. In time, driver's did the gunner's course anyway and once they were dual traded, they were interchangeable and we often swopped around. I loved driving Chieftain, although I never achieved the skill of the best driver's.

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Re: Chieftain info and banter

Post by Phil Woollard » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:07 pm

Does anyone have any ideas for the hatch mech opening spring? 8)
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Re: Chieftain info and banter

Post by Charles A Stewart » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:07 pm

Good evening everybody

I confess that I will use that drawing of the drivers hatch to detail my vehicle when the time comes, thank s also to Phil and his build.

I am still struggling about the rear of the vehicle. (no innuendo intended, ex service)

The references I am using are both Rob Griffin books( the only back end reference) & Richard Kent (no rear view).

I am looking forwards to a rtn trip to tank museum,sometime next year but 370miles is a bit of a trip. Are there any accessable Chieftains in northern Britian? (Byker, is it still there?)

Have a good weekend👍

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Re: Chieftain info and banter

Post by Mark Heaps » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:12 pm

Charles A Stewart wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:18 pm

What's the box for, on the far right for. As seen from the rear?

Cheers Charles
Hi Charles,
If you can provide a photo then I should be able to identify it.

https://www.armortek.co.uk/Forum3b/down ... &mode=view suggests it was the junction box for the cabling to the convoy light and NATO trailer socket.

Most of my time was looking after Challenger 1 which did not have the trailer socket and the convoy light was mounted centrally directly on the engine compartment wall and the wiring was in the pack bay.

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