Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Forum for discussion relating to the Chietain MBT
Phil Woollard
Posts: 2880
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Cornwall
Has liked: 912 times
Been Liked: 2467 times
Contact:

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Phil Woollard » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:58 pm

"Sherman tanker" is easier, we will get into trouble you know! 8) I didn't realise just how many dodads where involved with the belly and lower hull, I am at the awkward weld stage right now, as it's still light enough to flip over I will get those out the way before the wheels go on. Another addition is to turn up x12 m8 short threads with the smaller diameter end piece that finishes off the axle pivot thread on the inside of each wheel station, more on those tomorrow. Basically if you manufacturer these correctly they will help lock the axle thread and so help prevent the m8 stub axle from becoming lose over time. 8)
Attachments
IMG_20191029_101506835.jpg
More on all of this in tomorrows post.
IMG_20191029_120239265.jpg
It's kinda nice to get some of the welds out the way but you must make sure the hull is square and use cyno on the joints.
Mechanical engineer.
Youtube channel, Magpiespyro. For 1/6th scale video action!

Phil Woollard
Posts: 2880
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Cornwall
Has liked: 912 times
Been Liked: 2467 times
Contact:

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Phil Woollard » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:57 pm

W
Attachments
IMG_20191028_135333075.jpg
So tracer red top every fourth rnd. And for you guys that have never fired tracer......the tracer round flies higher than a standard round as it's lighter, so compensate accordingly!
IMG_20191028_135325853.jpg
IMG_20191028_135303909.jpg
Last edited by Phil Woollard on Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:51 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Mechanical engineer.
Youtube channel, Magpiespyro. For 1/6th scale video action!

Mark Heaps
Posts: 542
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:39 pm
Has liked: 143 times
Been Liked: 158 times

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Mark Heaps » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:32 pm

Hi Phil,
Get repainting the tips or the apprentice stripping the belt down and rebuilding it.
On the Chieftain "banter"thread, John has confirmed they were issued with 1B1T ( or "one-bit" , one ball, one tracer, so every second round red tipped ).
Other troops could have been issued with 4B1T ( or "four-bit", four ball, one tracer so every fifth round red tipped.)

When fitted in the coax role or on the commanders mount, the butt stock as per your picture was not fitted, it was replaced with a butt plate. Butt stock was for firing in a ground role.

Mark

Phil Woollard
Posts: 2880
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Cornwall
Has liked: 912 times
Been Liked: 2467 times
Contact:

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Phil Woollard » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:41 pm

Cheers Mark, I was looking on the Armorpax sight earlier and it seems we have everything we will need on there except the 7.62 link ammo box decals which now look to be no longer available, or have I missed something? 8)
Mechanical engineer.
Youtube channel, Magpiespyro. For 1/6th scale video action!

Mark Heaps
Posts: 542
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:39 pm
Has liked: 143 times
Been Liked: 158 times

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Mark Heaps » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:09 pm

Hi Phil,
to me it looks like the decal they had which is now discontinued was for pure ball, which was not suitable for our purposes anyway, rather than for 1B1T or 4B1T. The commanders MG mount also hid a lot of the markings on the box and most crews that I served with never swapped the box unless it started to corrode. They preferred to take the ammo out of the new box and lay it out in the old box to ensure it would feed out cleanly when needed rather than relying on how it was packed at the factory.
Mark

Phil Woollard
Posts: 2880
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Cornwall
Has liked: 912 times
Been Liked: 2467 times
Contact:

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Phil Woollard » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:16 pm

That's the kind of in service advice I love, so a worn 7.62 ammo box was preferred to a new one packed by the factory! That suits me as I shall enjoy weathering the box, the next thing is to find an opening box that will accept the link. To Ebay! 8)
Mechanical engineer.
Youtube channel, Magpiespyro. For 1/6th scale video action!

Kevin Hunter
Posts: 454
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:10 am
Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands
Has liked: 110 times
Been Liked: 60 times

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Kevin Hunter » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:56 pm

Phil Woollard wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:57 pm
A question for the techies, which GPMG mount do we use on the Chieftain cupola please? 8)
Hi Phil, I'm no techie, but according to Royal Armoured Corps Pamphlet 33 (Chieftain) the cupola GPMG mount was one of 3 variants: Mounting 7 62-mm MG (L37A 1) No. 10, Mk 1 or No.2 Mk 1 alternatively No.8 Mk 1. I couldn't find drawings but the good news is that Dave D has confirmed he will be producing the cupola mount and searchlight anyway!

Re the ammo box, I think Dragon did one in metal for their Browning .30 cal - Henry Kano? It's probably not quite right but near enough?

The real techies can now put me straight :D

Enjoying your build, keep it up
Kevin

Kevin Hunter
Posts: 454
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:10 am
Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands
Has liked: 110 times
Been Liked: 60 times

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Kevin Hunter » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:02 pm

It was Soldier Story, not Dragon...………….

Phil Woollard
Posts: 2880
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Cornwall
Has liked: 912 times
Been Liked: 2467 times
Contact:

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Phil Woollard » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:16 pm

Cheers Kevin I will look into it 8)
Mechanical engineer.
Youtube channel, Magpiespyro. For 1/6th scale video action!

User avatar
Stephen White
Site Admin
Posts: 2596
Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:05 pm
Location: Dorset
Has liked: 366 times
Been Liked: 903 times

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Stephen White » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:38 pm

I believe Dave at Armorpax is doing sheet of decals which will include my BCF fire extinguisher from my Cent build and something appropriate for the ammunition boxes.

Oh no, Phil, we're not back to rusty tracks are we? I thought we'd killed that one a while ago.

Commander's MG mount:
IMG_7994 copy.jpg
Mounting 7.62mm MG (L37A1) No 10, Mk1 (could be elevated to beyond the vertical for anti-aircraft use) or

Mounting 7.62mm MG (L37A1) No 2, Mk 1 (could be elevated to 800 mils only).

There was also a No8, Mk 1, which combined the above.

Switched on commanders would tape their MG butt to the top of the sight housing, so that it could be grabbed if you had to dismount the MG in a hurry and use it in the ground role. The bipod remained fitted to the gun.

Kevin Hunter
Posts: 454
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:10 am
Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands
Has liked: 110 times
Been Liked: 60 times

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Kevin Hunter » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:48 pm

Stephen White wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:38 pm

Switched on commanders would tape their MG butt to the top of the sight housing, so that it could be grabbed if you had to dismount the MG in a hurry and use it in the ground role.
I’ve seen a photo of that somewhere, i’ll See if I can find it again.

Kevin Hunter
Posts: 454
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:10 am
Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands
Has liked: 110 times
Been Liked: 60 times

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Kevin Hunter » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:18 pm

It was in the Haynes "workshop manual"...…….
GPMG Butt.jpg
GPMG Butt.jpg (1.81 MiB) Viewed 1105 times

User avatar
John Clarke
Posts: 744
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:06 pm
Location: Staffordshire
Been Liked: 522 times

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by John Clarke » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:04 am

"Phil says, Next is a big stack of wooden Christmas toys to complete! Actually once the steel track links have been steeped in slightly saline spring water for another 4 days it's rusty fingers time"

Phil, your so bad, and Rusty bits on Chieftains would get you a short stay on special duty's, I hope your better half's going to be treated to an expensive pampering session after slaving over the fiddly ammunition belts.

Or are you building a Range Target? if so just fill it with concrete and put it outside. :lol:
Oh Man, I only ride em I don't know what makes them work,
Definatley an Anti-Social type

Phil Woollard
Posts: 2880
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Cornwall
Has liked: 912 times
Been Liked: 2467 times
Contact:

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Phil Woollard » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:51 pm

I have no internet at home guys so you will have to bare with me until the blokes up the poles have done their job, for now it's borrowing someone else's so photos will be comprised.I have also finished the belly weld beads and can now flip her back over. 8)
Attachments
Chieftain Mk11 27.jpg
59dcb5c3065fb_gpmgscan.JPG.4f52e912dd7e8890048d83ca978cb7fb.jpg
59dcb5c3065fb_gpmgscan.JPG.4f52e912dd7e8890048d83ca978cb7fb.jpg (35.63 KiB) Viewed 1015 times
Mechanical engineer.
Youtube channel, Magpiespyro. For 1/6th scale video action!

Phil Woollard
Posts: 2880
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Cornwall
Has liked: 912 times
Been Liked: 2467 times
Contact:

Re: Chieftain build by Phil Woollard.

Post by Phil Woollard » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:53 pm

Some photos that I have resized as an experiment, and it seems to be working 8) I'm using my portable iPad and it's camera, something I may have to get used to when my lap top dies! :roll:
Attachments
IMG_19700101_050838_kindlephoto-2356425.jpg
It always looks so untidy at this stage, so I'm constantly spraying back over it with primer to check all looks ok.
IMG_19700101_050819_kindlephoto-1194463.jpg
I'm using the siver/grey milliput in the Hope that it would represent the nickel welds but no such luck, it's just to white! Note that the remaining belly plate kit rear bend hardly shows in these photos.
IMG_19700101_054501_kindlephoto-1302778.jpg
X12 needed to complete all the m8 stub axle inner threads. These need cleaning up somewhat as the large pitch thread tends to get very sharp when turned square.
IMG_19700101_054501_kindlephoto-1302778.jpg (49.69 KiB) Viewed 1000 times
IMG_19700101_054742.jpg
The m8 axle thread plugs, very similar to the 1/1. This although underneath the monster can be seen from the front and rear so well worth doing.
Last edited by Phil Woollard on Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:51 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Mechanical engineer.
Youtube channel, Magpiespyro. For 1/6th scale video action!

Post Reply
cron