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Re: Dales mid tiger 1

Post by yves mouton » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:25 pm

Hi Dale,

Do you use 2 m4 grub screws on your torsion bars free end clamp? ( these are in the kit )
I checkt last week my roadwheels and some axles are loose, i think in my opinion maybe
you can use 2 M5 grub screws on the axles, but then you have to re drill and tap the holes again to M5 ) it is a lot of work to fix your axles if they comming loose.
I donth know if someone else have this problem?
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Post by Dale jordan » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:03 pm

Hi Yves I used the M4 grubs screws I filed a nice flat on the torsion bars ends 23 mm long 2.5mm - 3mm wide I did have to put each torsion bar in the lathe to take off just enought to fit them in tight in the axle end and the fixing end I then did up the grub screws nice and tight with a bit of super glue to hold them in place then filed the top of the grub screws so as to let them through the brass bushes . Should be OK as this is what i did on my king tiger and early tiger 1 plus I pinned all the drop arms to the torsion bar axles only .Dale

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Post by yves mouton » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:16 pm

Hi Dale,

I also make the torsionbars flat on both sides and make the M4 grubs also flat and
put blue loctite on the grubs. I also put a pin in the on both sides of the suspension arms so they are ok.

It just come loose on the M4 grubs on 3 axles. I have also a big problem to loosen the
M6 grubs on the fixt side of the torsionbars ( i used also blue loctite on these grubs )
So i was able to loosen one of these M6 grubs and there was something around the grub screw ( like a spring around it ) so that holds the grub very tight? I donth know if that comes with every M6 grub. If i wanne replace the grubs into a bolt with a head on like you are used, i think i have to buy 2 new suspensionbars because the one grub that came loose, i cant put that screw back in anymore.
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Post by Dale jordan » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:38 am

Yves the fixing end cap head screw I would not use loctite you could use longer 6mm and add a lock nut if you wont .. The spring thing is in all the kits It's a helicoil it makes it hard to strip the threads by over tighening .. Dale

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Post by yves mouton » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:49 am

Hi Dale,

If i wanne replace the grubs into bolts with a head on i'am not able to get the spring
back in togheter with the bolt ( i try this already ) is there a solution to get the spring back in?
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Re: Dales mid tiger 1

Post by Dale jordan » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:54 am

Today I started detailing the road wheels all the outer wheels had a small grove added plus I'm going to add studs to the outer single bearing hub so as to have nuts on the outer wheels and then taping a thread to the double hub to take M3 hex bolts ... Dale





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Post by Per Sonnervik » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:43 am

Hi Dale,

I must say I´m impressed with your Tiger I mid build - all clean, shiny and clever solutions. Will come in handy when I build my Tiger I late sometime in the future.

I´m also glad I read your build as I discovered that Armortek used Helicoils in the suspension bar - I totally missed that - as I´ve schratchbuilt mine and it would be hard to fit when bar is in place.

Can´t wait to see what you´re doing with wheels, it´s good to see some engineering work and not just "mounting" of parts.

Keep up the good work.

/Per

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Re: Dales mid tiger 1

Post by Ragnar Arntsen » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:21 am

Hi Dale
Make one set for the long and one for the short axle, just dry fit with the rubber rings on. I think you will find that the heads of cap head bolts in the last pic, will be in conflict with the rubber ring . On my build I had to use bolts with hex head of no more than 4m/m across and hight of 1,7m/m. You will have to try it on the tank and try it with some different riding hights of the axels, just as you vere riding over bumps in the terrain.
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Re: Dales mid tiger 1

Post by Adrian Harris » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:28 pm

Nice work Dale :D

It might be worth smoothing off the machining marks from the wheels whilst you've got them mounted in the lathe.

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Post by Dale jordan » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:38 pm

Thanks everyone . Per your comments mean a lot , Ragnar I've ordered M3 X 16 mm button head screws that way they are low profile like wheel studs on a box trailer this way they will clear the following rubber tyre. Adrian good idea about the groves in the road wheels I don't think paint will smooth them out .. Dale

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Post by Tim Bowman » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:40 pm

Nice as always Dale!

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Re: Dales mid tiger 1

Post by Chang » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:52 am

Hi Dale,
Ditto to Tim's comment. Nice as it always was. :D

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Re: Dales mid tiger 1

Post by Dale jordan » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:14 am

I put the tracks on yesterday morning this is the best stage of the build so far . I've only added two hex head bolts and nuts to the out side road wheels as they will be removed for etch priming later whilst the tiger was on the ground I gave her a test push run . The running gear all ran nice and true ... Dale





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Post by John Fitzsimons » Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:10 am

Very nice, encouraging me to push on with my second tiger.
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Re: Dales mid tiger 1

Post by Dale jordan » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:10 pm

Here are some updated photos on my mid tiger 1 build . Deck work is just about done lots of Mike's parts added just need to add tow ropes then tidy up ready for zim .. . Dale



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