Flakpanther/Flakvierling/2cmquad variant "A"

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Re: Flakpanther/Flakvierling/2cmquad variant "A"

Post by Phil Woollard » Sun May 14, 2017 2:50 pm

Iv'e just noticed the Jerry can tucked in between the exhaust and the bin !
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Post by Kent Wiik » Sun May 14, 2017 4:41 pm

Phil Woollard wrote:have you ever seen evidence of vertical and horizontal tool marks on the same vehicle other than the application to the access plates? .......Phil
Very very rarely seen on Ausf A hulls but sometimes on turrets esp on the mantlet.

Please bare in mind only Demag made Bergepanthers Ausf A and G.
Zimmerit on all Ausf A and non on the Ausf G.

The Jerry can holders are field modifications and here is another fm on a Demag:
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Raised boxes on the engine plates I./Pz.Abt.4 in Italy captured by the free french during the Casino battle.

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Post by Phil Woollard » Sun May 14, 2017 5:02 pm

Thanks for the info Kent, it's much appreciated. I may use horizontal tooled zim on the upper hull for a bit of interest cheers Phil .
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Post by Phil Woollard » Sun May 21, 2017 10:07 am

Progress.
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Access to the inner sanctum will need to be engine hatch and through the Flak table mount, the deck plate will have so much weld detail it will need to be fixed in place to preserve the joints
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Nice arse!
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With the "A" Panther interlocking armour plate being configured the way it is, it will require some tricky weld detailing, the deck plate needs fixing in place with access to the inside via the Flak table mount, so what won't fit in the engine compartment will need to live above the batteries.
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Over spray on the tracks! the bin tooling grooves are now outy.
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I found the bottom jack bracket needs a little material removal to get the jack to sit back and allow the wing nut to be done up, but no big deal.
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Post by Steve Norris » Sun May 21, 2017 1:38 pm

Hi Phil
Nice work on the flak mount.
I was thinking the same about the top deck mounting, it really needs those weld seams doing so it needs to be bolted down.
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Post by Phil Woollard » Sun May 21, 2017 3:49 pm

Hi Steve, I think the turreted examples will require the same weld detail to, or it just will not look any good, there's no way the milliput will stay there unless that deck has all it's fixings. So you guys with the turrets will need to factor in the access for the batteries etc through the big round hole :D.............Phil.
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Post by Phil Woollard » Mon May 22, 2017 10:56 am

A few more pickies. I am considering building a larger calibre gun variant using another Panther "A" chassis, I wonder what gun kits are available either in plastic or metal ? :roll:
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As there is no large turret bearings and spacers in the way I think the access looks pretty good to me.
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It's just a case of undoing around eight M3 bolts and the flak mount table lifts away.
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Post by Paul Wills » Mon May 22, 2017 7:36 pm

Hi Phil,

Very nice work, I also love the fact that you are prepared to mix it up a little and add the horizontal tooled zim on the upper hull. 8) you will upset the Panther purists :wink: :lol:

I do love the Panther, it was a shame I had to sell mine :roll:

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Post by Phil Woollard » Tue May 23, 2017 1:51 pm

I am so brave :D , it's been a real change to build these Panthers and i am enjoying something different but look forward to starting work again on the Tigers, so much to do but it's very rewarding.
Can't wait to see your next instalment Paul regards Phil.
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Post by Phil Woollard » Thu May 25, 2017 9:22 am

Well I think that's all the fixtures and fittings bolted on, the barrel cleaning rod tube is not needed on the nr side so i will remove it, all the photos of this type of variant do not show one for obvious reasons, the undercoat is all done with the initial weathering to that coat completed,
( the weathering at the undercoat stage is a technique I have developed over many years).
The Panther has a big cavernous interior and so provides room for manoeuvre, I tend to follow a set pattern for the internal fittings. The motion pack once set up will require little maintenance, the important switches must be to hand just inside the engine hatch, and so can be easily accessed if the unit needs to be switched off in a hurry. With the new 2.4ghz radio system it's now virtually fool proof (once set up correctly) I have never heard of radio failure with 2.4ghz, well not like the old system anyway, I wonder how many aircraft I have lost in my time! When I was employed in the operation to fly large target drones (150kgs) manys the time I have seen them nose dive on range after a radio problem, standing orders were to ditch the aircraft asap rather than risk a Rapier battery strike, EXPENSIVE!
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All the welds that I can do up to this stage have been added, the deck welds and bolt down will have to be done after the interior is all complete.
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I do have 2 of the photo etch sheets spare, they have the sprocket detail and rear deck grill mesh with loads of thin brass left over to make further detail parts, these are for sale at cost.
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Smoke and speakers (not shown) to be added in the rear section
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Post by Phil Woollard » Tue May 30, 2017 7:41 am

No Internet for me for a few days as the spectacular thunderstorms have fried our phone line, so I shall be quiet for a bit, enjoy the peace guys :D
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Post by Phil Woollard » Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:51 pm

I have made a start installing the motion pack for the Flakpanther, the new audio of the Panther engine is quite different from the older 2010 version, I think it's more like the real thing, has anyone else got that far yet, and if so what are your thoughts on the new sound file? I shall shoot some video and post a link to youtube soon so we can all have a listen :D Phil.

For now it really does sound like this one, I have posted this video before but this is the sound https://youtu.be/QsodIneQGzI of my unit and I love it, if we could have the running gear clatter included it would be perfection
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Post by Phil Woollard » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:23 am

Almost finished the wiring just the smoke to build and install, I do like the new Panther sound, Thomas Benidini and Armortek have done a great job! :D
The eagle eyed may spot a heavy duty switch near the radio operators position, I wonder what that is for? It's not the main power switch.
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Everything in it's place,easily accessible switches mainly through the engine hatch.
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Post by Paul Wills » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:23 am

Looking good Phil, at a guess I would say that the switch is for a smoker, it looks to be wired to the drive motor. :?:

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Re: Flakpanther/Flakvierling/2cmquad variant "A"

Post by davidwilkins » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:51 am

Hi Phil,

That is one very neat and tidy layout you have there with your panther build.

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