Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by simon_manning » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:00 am

A Mammoth effort to this degree, good build and keeps the interest flowing, regards simon manning.

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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Vince Cutajar » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:49 am

the tenons bit my palm as it snapped together so be careful.
Injured in the line of duty.

First time it snapped like that I said that no way I am getting my hands close to that so started using clamps instead.

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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by martin pitcairn » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:31 pm

Phil, just my two pennies worth, would a safer methode be to use a car jack to gently wind the horse shoe apart. That said thia is the most interesting tiger build yet.


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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Phil Woollard » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:36 am

I agree a scissor jack would be good, I'm just to impatient and need to work quickly Martin. More turret progress
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The first time the Tiger has it's turret and cannon in place. The barrel needs to be dressed on my large lathe as the machining marks need removing.
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Beautifully machined muzzle break.
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Details to be added to the gun tube like casting numbers and those tiny countersunk screws, very nicely made parts these.
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The mantlet counter weight mounting all goes together without and problems
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Phil Woollard » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:25 am

I have been asked by a number of builders what we should do ref the gap between the mantlet and the turret, so this is one for Armortek,"what do you suggest that we do with the 6mm gap in question"? 8)
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The drivers hatch cannot open when the turret is in the straight head position, and even if the mantlet gap is reduced by say 4/5mm i still dont think that it will be enough
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Phil Woollard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:34 am

The loaders hatch conundrum.
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Those little retaining screws for the barrel tube.I must remember to bend up the locking tabs.
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I shall use the Armorpax interior detail from the Tiger 2 kit. The opening handle can stay where it is. Scale bolt heads set aside for the hinge detail.
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The hatch prepped and ready for the detailing, the pad lock hasp and staple need cutting in.
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The slightly tricky (to make) piece added to represent the depth that we dont have, the tooling marks will be dressed flat.
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Making the rubber seal detail, although the plasticard is after all "plastic" it's still very durable and will bend a little rather than snap clean off like the white metal often does, so I use it!
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A quick test fit. It's as you would expect a little high so the rubber seal detail is dressed down until it looks about right. I shall also drill through the centre of the hatch to accommodate the interior opening ring locking/opening dog.
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Vince Cutajar » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:36 am

Good to see you working on areas that I haven't done yet. Makes it easy for me when I get there :D .

What size screws did you use on the barrel sleeve? M2 CSK?

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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Phil Woollard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:05 pm

Hi Vince, the screws are from my box of interesting things, they have a head diameter of 4 mm...They just looked right.
Now my box of interesting things ( as you have asked) is made up of parts that I salvage from every day items like printers old record players, anything with screws, springs, brackets you name it, if it looks remotely useful it goes in there! 8)
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Vince Cutajar » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:30 pm

If they have a head diameter of about 4mm then most probably they have a thread of 2mm. So I guess you drilled a shallow hole, countersunk it and glued in the screw.

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Post by Phil Woollard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:56 pm

Yep Vince you got it, just dont over do the cyno or you will loose the outer screw diameter detail as its a bit delicate. 8)
Ooo Vince while i think about it, I plan to add an interior periscope to the loaders position are you thinking of doing the same? I have spares so it would be a shame not to.
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Post by Vince Cutajar » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:20 pm

Yes Phil. My plan is to put a periscope for the loader's position. I have already modified the kit supplied periscope guard to accept a periscope under it. I also have a spare periscope similar to the driver's and radio operator's periscopes that I intended to use but recently I found that on a late Tiger 1 the loader's periscope is the same as used in the cupola. So I guess I need to source a periscope that is similar to the cupola periscopes.

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Post by Phil Woollard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:17 pm

I'm sure the larger periscopes were used as well and they look a whole lot cooler so I will go with that, I have many photos showing the larger type. 8) we have the turret interior on its way soon so I shall be working on lots of addition in that area.
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by David Battson » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:31 pm

Hi Phil,
Your tiger build is looking very good.
Regarding the mantlet clearance problem(s) between drivers hatch and also turret wrap, I had similar issues with my late Tiger, although the gap from back of mantlet to turret wrap was a little less than on your kit.
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Mantlet/hatch overhang before modification
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To address the problem I started with the exposed ends of the mantlet. For me the ends seemed a little too thick, so I reduced their thickness slightly by increasing the step cuts circled in the photo. I then closed the gap between mantlet and turret wrap by skimming equal amounts off the contact faces between the mantlet and the elevation pivot plate as marked with arrows. The overall effect is to pull the mantlet back, but even with this, there is still some contact between the hatches and mantlet at certain degrees of turret traverse and gun elevation. From photos and drawings I have seen this appears to have been an issue with the real tank as well, but I can find no info to confirm either way. It would be interesting to know at what turret/gun positions it was and was not possible to use the front hatches – anyone ?

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Also Phil, one other clearance worth checking before you pin down the engine hatch and add the missing rectangular deck infill piece between the two radiator covers is can you open the engine hatch with the turret in place (inc. escape hatch, track hangers and a skim of zimmerit ) ? it would be a shame not to be able to access all that wonderful engine detail ! David Brydon suggests that this should be possible between 64 and 72 degrees of traverse, but it was an issue for my model which I discovered far too late on in the build - the only solution left being to omit the hinge pins and lift out rather than lift up the engine hatch to access the engine bay.
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Phil Woollard » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:54 am

The loaders hatch all done but for the cable pull. I have also made a start on the cupola.

Hi David, the clearance of the hatches will be a challenge that's for sure, I was considering plugging the holes in the pivot block and drilling new ones 4.5 mm in to bring the whole mantlet back in one go.
Ref the engine hatch, they have always been close right from the very first Tiger 1 kits, I have tried this one and it misses ok at present, I will also check with the track hangers in place but I think we were ok there! 8)
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Lots of tooling marks to rub away on the hatch lid.
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The same for the cupola casting. If you do decide to use a power file be careful as you can remove large amounts of material very quickly, they take practice but can save an awful lot of man hours.
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The first coat of grey shows all the imperfections that need addressing.
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Mantlet foundry casting numbers
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

Post by Phil Woollard » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:33 am

The turret continued. We are waiting and waiting on the turret interior so in the mean time I will carry on adding what i think is necessary to give us a good impression of a late Tiger interior whilst looking through the escape, loaders and commanders hatches.
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Before and after, if you look right there is a big step in the tooling, taking many passes with the emery cloth to get it out but now looks just great and as it should.
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A bit dodgy using emery cloth like this but thats how its always been done.
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Before and after this one, well actually during and before and after!
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I have added the section closest to the turret roof, this will have the weld detail.
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The close support weapon now has a barrel and could be used to fire pyrotechnics if required.
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Dry fit of the cupola parts all good.
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The ventilator/fume extractor added
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The inner bolts need adding to the hatch underside but did the late hatch have a bolts surround under that armour upgrade?
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