T34 Amunition

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T34 Amunition

Post by phil fitzpatrick » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:14 pm

Can anyone please help with pictures and sizes of the main round
amunition for the T34-85,AP and HE.
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Phil

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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by Fred Lopian » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:34 pm

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Re: T34 Amunition

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Re: T34 Amunition

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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by phil fitzpatrick » Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:57 pm

Thank You very much Fred,
For the answer the drawings and information,that is really helpfull,not just for
me but anyone else who is interested.
Excellent
Thanks and regards
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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by Fred Lopian » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:00 am

No problem.
It really very few measurements of the ammunition.
For the T 34/85 there were two guns. From January to March 1944 equipped with the D-5. Then with the SIS-S-53. I think the ammo is the same.
Do you have other questions about ammunition?

Sorry for my bad English. :roll:

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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by phil fitzpatrick » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:34 pm

Hi Fred.
Not at the moment,the information you just supplied was very good.
Thanks again
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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by phil fitzpatrick » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:23 am

Good morning Fred,
Do you have any information on the colour coding bands and any other colour
markings etc for the T34-85 Rounds.
The Chart above shows a few with single black markings but I am unclear as
to whether the others had no markings at all other than the information
stencilled on them.
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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by Fred Lopian » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:27 pm

Sorry Phil,

I have no other information.
The colour coding of munitions can be either protective or for distinguishing purposes. Protective colour-coding is usually applied to shells and to metal and woodenammunition boxes. As a rule shells produced in wartime are not colour-coded, but are simply greased with summer shell grease.Distinctive colouring is applied to shells, small arms rounds, and their packaging. This colouring is applied both in peacetime and wartime.Distinctive colouring is applied to artillery shells in the form of coloured bands, which signify as follows:Blue band – concrete-piercing shell.White band – illuminating shell.Red band – incendiary or AP-incendiary – tracer.A black band, if it is close to the upper centring band, indicates a smoke round, whereas if it is close to the lower centring band, (with mortar rounds under the centring band), itindicates that the body of the shell is made of cast iron.On the cases of artillery rounds a black band indicates that there is a reduced quantity of propellant.A white band on the base of the primer or the case indicates that they have been used and refilled.

The inscription on the munitions are complicated. For that I need more time.

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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by phil fitzpatrick » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:41 pm

Hi Fred,
Thanks for the extra information,much appreciated.
The Hussar scale shells from Airconnection show all 3 different rounds with 2 red bands,
which didnt seem right.
They have the inscriptions on which are quite clear and I could copy.
But untill I am sure I will go with the Hight of war production and leave them off.
Would it be safe to say that they would have missed off the inscriptions aswell and
just greased them up?.
The different rounds are clearly disdinguishable from each other by look and feel in the
dim light of a turret.
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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by Fred Lopian » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:59 pm

Hi Phil,

I begin now to doubt. :cry:
In the drawings, we see two red colored rings.
It can be seen but that the ammunition was manufactured 1943.

Markings on the cartridge
Index number of the case
Example: UBR 365K = BR = AP – tracer 365 = weapon model number, K = shell for ground attack.
U = designates a fixed round (where the shell is in one piece with the case and the charge).
Calibre and model of weapon in which round used
Example: 85-44 = 85 mm cannon, model 44 for Tank
85 SU, also self-propelled gun SU 85
85 mm cannon, model 39 (Flak M1939)
Type, batch and factory where gunpowder produced
Example: ?
Batch, year and base where round assembled
Examble: 11 for Batch, 46 for year, 22 for manufacturer
Allocation of and key to indicators stamped on base of case.
three numbers: Group and year of production of case (example: 10 for Group and 44 for year)
Factory where case produced (example: 25)

Markings on the Shell
Type of explosive with wich the shell has been filled, if present (example: T = Tritol)
Shell mindex: Example: BR-365K BR = AP – tracer 365 = weapon model number, K = shell for ground attack

Sorry, my English is so bad, I can not describe correctly

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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by phil fitzpatrick » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:52 pm

Hi Fred
Thanks for the extra information on the markings for the casings and the shell.
You have been very kind and a great help. :D
Your english is many times better than my German,I can say good morning,good evening,good night,
good day and order many times more beers than I could drink or pay for :lol:
I can now compare the markings on your drawings and the Hussar scale rounds and have a good idea
what to look for now.
Thanks Fred
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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by Fred Lopian » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:32 am

From left to right.


http://tynipic.com/images/bwy1331709661a.jpg

1. Anti-tank round UBR-365.
2. HE round OU-367K.
3. HVAP round UBR-365P

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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by Fred Lopian » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:35 am

Sorry,

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Re: T34 Amunition

Post by phil fitzpatrick » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:30 am

Wow :lol:
Thanks for the pictures,Fred you have a garage full,a very fine collection of Amunition
there.
Thats a great help Fred it looks like from the pictures and drawings that there might have been a
variation with the manufacturers just like the Tanks.
Cheers
Phil

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