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Steven Ford
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I need to rob a bank!

Post by Steven Ford » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:08 pm

Anyone any good at safecracking? Only $9million required.

Where do people come across such rarities? According to all the authoritiative books that I've read, including Jan Melin/Sven Hernstrӧm and Blaine Taylor, none of the G4s, except four Tourenwagen, survived.

Or are we being invited to buy replicas?

Does anyone know any more about this situation?


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Adrian Harris
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Post by Adrian Harris » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:27 pm

Even if they were original, this:

"so totally destroyed that he rebuilt them from the ground up to the exact detail in every case using factory blue prints and the actual skeletons when possible"

make is sound like they're replicas now !

Shades of Grandfather's axe.


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Post by Steve Stuart » Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:20 am

Sounds wonderful, but I have a friend who is into vintage and classic cars.
The boundary between restoration and replica is very fuzzy, my Uncle had a 1933 Bentley which was desroyed in a garage fire, I expect one day to see it again having learnt how some thing can be created out of the smallest of remains/parts!
Now if I had the money I could create a 'genuine' Tiger based on car restoration criteria by using a genuine preselecta gear box of the correct type, of which I am told many remained after the War. Maybe some where in the countries of the eastern front there are tank remains to be found hidden in forest or bog that could be given that sort of treatment and be reserected. Something that would be an interesting project, but how genuine would it be?
Thinking about Spitfires and Hurricanes that are flyng now, I believe that each aircraft has a 'ghost' made of all the parts replaced to keep the plane still flying. Over time it will become solid as eventually every part of the aircraft will be replaced, then which will be the genuine machine?
As some one who thinks that a the best models are those that work/move, fly or sail, I think the genuine in this case is the one that works. That is why I think that Tiger 131 at Bovington is so important, and why it should be kept moving, as when it is in motion it conveys all that it is now and was, and makes all the history it is attached to come alive and be relevant to those who witness it today!
Sorry about the roundabout plug for the Tiger's retoration fund?

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Paul Wills
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Post by Paul Wills » Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:45 pm

Ah yes,

The age old argument, what is Original and what is Concourse? I'm not going to be drawn into this one, I went through all that with Vintage bikes! However, I will mention that in completions, anyone judging will tell you that as soon as you apply new paint, it’s classified as concourse! that's not my option though!

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Post by Steven Ford » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:40 pm

Just discovered this too:

It's not just a museum piece after all.


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Post by Allan Richards » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:12 pm

One definition of concourse that I once heard was "as the manufacturer would have liked the machine to have left the factory" I was into restoring old stationary engine, what our US friends would call barn engines, and there was endless debate on restorations and what should and shouldn't be done. All I can say is that it is good to see these vehicles in the flesh and moving under their own steam, be them replica's or original.
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